Mark, i was referring to the 2002 VIDEO, like iv'e already said every one will judge anything different due to ourselves being different. In context of 3D it becomes a mine field to judge as what seems hard and unbelievable to one person seems a piece of cake to someone else. Throw in music, streamers, fireworks and who knows who is going to win. Thats why my (OPINION) was meant unimbiguously not sparingly. Thats why its probaply being brought in this year (2003) ,set manourvers to help judges, to make (+ lets be honest, you may as well toss a coin between the top 3) a decision. Lets not forget though thats the whole beauty about 3D it is so undefined, so varied, so unique, it's art, i could argue there should be no winner, they're all as good as each other !?, Anyone for tennis ? P.S. I have flown inside a tennis court , i wounder what score i got !, only joking , i'm a kunte by name not by nature !