Thanks to you two. I wasn't expecting replys so fast, guess I'm used to old dial-up fidonet messageboard/forums. I sort of thought a foam plane was childish but I guess it's the easiest way after reading other posts here, cheaper too. I saw an ad in popular science and wondered if anyone has something to say about the gull or hawk on readytoflyfun website. The Wingo definately looks like I could find endless things to stick in the cockpit, but do you all think I would get tired of it? As I said, space is a major issue. I'm in the military and my public storage unit is almost full with civilain cloths, off season uniforms, and scuba gear so I don't see myself being more than a 1 or 2 plane owner anytime in the near future and selling things I buy then upgrade is never easy. Thanks again, I'll keep this place on favorites because every reply seems so friendly and informative.