Thanks JeffinTD, I'll check it out. So I doubt it makes any difference because it's virtual and the conditions are PERFECT but my Phoenix flight sim order came yesterday and without sounding too big headed, I can fly the wings off the "Low wing trainer", the "Parkzone T-28" and interestingly enough, the "Parkzone Habu". I can land all of them everytime with no bounce or occasionally a little bounce. Still, I doubt it makes much difference because it's virtual and it's rare to get such perfect conditions in real life but I just wanted to add that. A question to those that use Phoenix though... I noticed theres no Stik of any type so do any of the planes on there handle even remotely like one? Oh and lastly, I am amazed by how twitchy and precise the Sport Aerobatic / 3D planes are and I'm nowhere near that level yet haha.