Osmax2 there are 100's probably more like 1000's of Raptors out there flying very well and performing 3D in stock out of the box configuration. ((( I agree)))This is my main gripe with you people, your telling the world it can't be done which is a lie. ((( Where did I state this)))

It would appear your goal is to bash ThunderTiger products and push the Caliber30, Venture30 and Fury50 with the coveted mystical CCPM. ((( Not the case at all , I have a raptor I fly the Raptor, There was a statment about problems with thunder tiger, some one stated problems with the Fury I would be doing the same thing. Which I have. I am not pushing anything ,I am stateing someting out of my and others around me who had problems. And yes I feel that if thunder tiger does not do something to fix issues the will lose the maket. This is a true statement . I like the Raptor I dont understand how I am bashing it?"

The reason I'm offended is because I have the difficult part in this exchange, you get to say things like the Raptor is a nice helicopter but needs upgrades to fly properly.(( I feel this way ,If you dont like my statement this is fine but the truth is the truth.)) I on the other hand feel compelled to point out that this is not true that it will fly just fine built with what comes in the kit.((( OK I agree it will fly fine out of the box))) You on the other hand make wild statements like the Raptor is doomed unless they make it CCPM cabable(( Let me explain my self, Raptor has a very good points but when I and I state I have to by parts for wawa and blades going out of track ,engine over heating ,links and the list goes on. CCPM has its place and yes it is for every body.))) I have to point out that CCPM is not for everyone and that it does have some short coming's if you use cheap servo's. ((( If you use lets say 3001 yes it not good, but i would never put this on a heli the minum and this is my personal choice is 9202, in a rappt to a Furry extreme)))flmgrip complains that the links are to tight on the balls. I tell him to replace them with Rocket City((( Rokket city is out of bussness but really good links i use them))) links and resize the links to get a good fit, he complains that he shouldn't have to do that well he's probably right but JR makes the Ball link sizing tool for a reason ((( Good Tool)))and it was not because ThunderTiger links were to tight it's just something that you have to do if you want your control system to operate smoothly. There are a lot of people out there that use Rocket City links on their helicopters and its not just ThunderTiger customers. ((( this I will agree and dissagree.)))

flmgrip has some problems with his kit it sounds like the swashplate is sloppy this happens and I'm sure Ace will take care of it unless he bought the kit outside the States. All I can say about the instructions is I was able to build mine using them and a little commonsense, they really do need to update them though. (( I agree))
In the end I agree with ThunderTiger the Raptor will fly 3D out of the box and does not need all that shiny stuff to do it well. I wish it would stop raining!(( this point you are makeing is true. But if you want to get alot more perfoms for it Yes you need to upgrade ,,,again this is my veiw, and I am not saying your point is wroung, And I do not feel that Rappy is crappy out of the Box. But it has a lot of issues . AGAIN I LIKE THE RAPPY >>>>>>>>

I hope this clears things up.
My statements are from my experiences with the above Heli.
Again I am not the Only one who has and has upgraded the rappy to fix problems,
I hope you understand.