Thanks barracuda ^^.
I'm aware of that about pilot proficiency, just wanting to know some helis to be sure it's actually my lack of proficiency what is not letting me doing some things i can do with real flight and a Raptor 90 for example really easy.
With my griffin, when i try maneuvers with the rotor close to a vertical plane i can only prevent the heli from slowly falling down if igo far away from the vertical plane and i must do them slower (wider angles) and higher so finallythey don't look as "cool" and as "agressive" as they do in more powerful helis or in the sim.
Anyway i'll ask the same question at the RC shop, but in the end a shop is a business, so a second, third or forth opinion is always useful before buying

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In fact now i remember the shop guy told me about JRVibes helicopters talking about a good 3d option, but i just wanted a heli to learn first.
Thanks again.