Yes JR they are but the reason I didnt include a link to that is because it isnt pertanent. It was one event that people were complaining about Which Gary had stated that only had 1 problem and was taken care of. Now other years and other events the problems have been stated. What I did was say In Lou Of meaning because of all the things popping up on that thread plus what happens at other events and I have never been to it but I bet Joe Nall event would probably fit in quit well with it, that it is time we nip the safety issue in the bud and have the EC take a serious look at it. I was not at this years dogs event but have in previous years and have also been to other events where this seems to regularly happen. But yes you do have those facts correct. I was just using DOGS as an excuse to act and bring this up since as you stated theres 6 pages on this hot topic and what better time to address it.

Joe

PS I knew if I baited ya ya couldnt resist to answer hahahaha
PSS Seriously I knew if anyone would be able to have an unbiased opinion you could I dont agree with ya most of the time but I wont fault you for that But I do read and respect your positions as you sensibly present all sides