Seems like the simplist solution is for the warbirds to fly at the warbird only events just like what was suggested for the 3d fliers to only fly at imac events. Imac events though are for competition flying, not for just getting together and having fun doing aerobatic, 3d or scale style flying.

Now If I'm going to an event that's going to have aerobatic and 3d flying, I'm not going to bring my turbine and expect to have everyone put their flying on hold for me. I'll wait for an appropriate time to fly.

Our club just sponsored a giant scale fly in open to all aircraft that fit the imaa format. At one point in the day when no one was currently flying, a person took his ohio ultimate up to fly. Since there was 1 plane in the air, the ultimate, another person took their 40% extra up to fly aerobatics also. The ultimate was staying high and the extra was mid and low. As there was only 2 planes flying the extra started doing some 3d maneuvers staying on the far side of the runway which is 65' wide. After the 2 planes flew for 10 minutes a person with a 1/3 cub decided to fly. Now the established pattern is aerobatic and 3d. After 1 trip around the field the cub lands and the person flying makes the comment to the fliers and cd that as far as he is concerned the 3d flying is uncourteous to everyone flying and dangerous and shouldn't be allowed! Now, there's only 2 planes in the air before the cub, their flying aerobatics and 3d and will be landing in a very short time. Instead of waiting for a couple of minutes to fly, knowing what style of flying was going on, the cub took off then was mad as everyone didn't change to his style of flying!!! The extra only flew 1 time the whole day as the person who owned it put on the event and was busy co-ordinating everything. The attitude didn't come from the 3d flyier but from the person with the giant scale plane! The person with the 3d plane tried to talk to the other, but he was just called uncourteous and rude. The person with the cub loaded up and left. Everyone else stayed and had a good day of flying with no incidents.

If you want to talk safety. I go to and participate in many events. I've seen stupid things done by all styles of pilots. I agree that the runway should be clear for landings and takeoffs. That should probably be true for warbirds making high speed low passes over the runway too! The person most in danger from the 3d flying is usually the pilot, not the crowd as it seems most 3d pilots tend to like to torque roll, harrier right in front of themselves. I've seen many warbirds who pushed the safety issue thru weight and speed. I was at a warbird fly in and a person had a yellow T6. 1 rule violation was that it hadn't been test flown prior. He was an experienced flier, this not being his first giant scale warbird. It seemed to fly good, however he was flying very unscale like. He was flying extremely fast, in the area of 140mph (I fly turbines so I have an idea of how fast). I think this is a 1/5 scale which would suggest that the speed of the full scale should be around 700mph!!!! He came to the corner approaching the flight line and the elevator servo gave out (while he was at full throttle). The airplane slammed into a hangar (we were at a small airport) went thru the wood wall leaving several holes including 1 which was over 1 foot wide and damaged an aircraft in the hangar. Parts of the t6 even came out the front of the hangar (it hit the rear wall). Now the fall out from an aerobat doing torque rolling is a few feet, the warbird was 40-50 feet. Of all the wrecks I've seen the warbirds usually are more dangerous. Does this mean there should be extra rules on the warbirds imposed by the ec?


Sorry for the rambling. Looking at the size of this post it's definately more than .02 worth <g>


Hoping to dodge the flames <g>


Jon