The Value Hobby 60 stick(65in. wing) is $88 plus shipping. $105 I put a GMS 75(already had it) on it and turned it to 45deg to let the muffler exhaust clear the fuse and wing. Flies like a really sporty, overpowered trainer. Lots of cutouts to make it lighter. Lands slow. The gear is surprisingly strong for an ARF. I used the hardware. Good second plane without breaking the bank. If I did it again, I would make a straight wing joiner and take the slight dihedral out of it. Just to see how it flies.