At my club, we never seem to have anyone who even wants to be an officer, never mind an entrenched group that's been there forever. Now, there have been a few guys that were in one job or another for a long time in the past. These things just run in cycles.

Dennis, I agree that if it's said exaclty as I typed it, with out proper inflection, it can piss people off. I'd assume that someone would be more diplomatic about it. My point was that the #1 way to make something happen in a club is to get involved and help it happen. We all understand that sometimes that's not possible, so if a suggestion is what you have, then you should make it. But as you must know, somtimes the guys getting stuff done are pressed for time, so when someone else has a good idea, it might not happen just because there isn't time to make it happen, not because people disagree. I've seen people "suggest" things, then get TO'd when no one else does what they suggested. They somehow think that the club officers are just going to jump up and make every suggestion just happen. One thing that drives me crazy are all the guys who go around *****ing about how things aren't good enough yet they never lift a finger to try to make things better in any way. They think their club dues somehow entitle them to having a perfect field with out them ever doing anyting themselves. As you know, someone has to do the work, and if there aren't enough "someones" to go around, it doesn't get done.

Teresa, I don't think there is a club around that won't accept someone who does what you did. Certianly, pitching in and making things happen is the way to go, and will always make friends in a hurry.

I agree with the rough percentages you guys are quoting for who shows up and who actually works on stuff. It's the ole 80-20 rule in action.

Outside of RC, I've actually had quite a bit of experience running large, all volunteer groups, with plenty of large egos to work around, and alot of work to be done. It's never easy, that's for sure. At one time or another, I've run in to all kinds of issues.