Thanks. Dont give a rats ass about vertical. Generally I fly on the deck with fast stuff Dubb Jett equiped vipers and YS 140 Little Toni, Dubb Jett Magnum. The speed makes the pieces go into the bag easier. I have the gassers too but all these require loading up and going to the flying field which is several miles away. This plane will be something to grab and go behind the house just to relax before dark. Going to try the 52 and see if it will fit the bill. If not, can always back up and punt.