Thanks Gary, I sort of had to come up with my own design for the stabs and elevators. The templates only had one for the stab ribs and it was too much thinking to build them as a flying surface airfoil so I made them flat. Why put an airfoil on a flat bottom winged plane? way too much thinking involved. So many different sizes of wood involved. Maybe it had something to do with the free flight thing? A stab of many sizes!!!