ORIGINAL: airraptor
ORIGINAL: Racewizard
Guy's I'm sorry to say that I have raced there maybe 6 times and don't know who both of you by site I apologize for that. I like the way the races are run, your club has spent alot of time and money with your timing operation for lap counting and breakout timing I applause your club for that. The way it appears to me for at least this season anyway I'm still going to race in the SILVER class with my 2 stroke engine. I do have friends that have race planes with 2 stroke engines that would like to race in the GOLD but don't feel they have much of a chance racing against YS engines with a smaller airframes. It seems all your rules are in favor of YS 115 engines. You have a breakoff of 515 square inches to a 119 size engine, and thats for 4 strokes, your not even allowed to run a YS 120 with 515 inch wing area. Now doesn't this sound like it's all in favor of this one engine?To run a 2 stroke 120 you get to add more inches to the wing, which usually will mean a larger and heavier plane, so how do you compete??
Well thanks for letting me vent, no more said
My point also. The rules were designed to fit a YS 63/70, 110-115 or 140 engines.
400 sq inch wing is up to a .89 4 stroke lol is there even a .89? Now If I have a ''.90'' engine but measures out to a .89 can I use it as a FS.
Now the OS 120 AX is less powerful than the YS115 40% and up nitro.
Jimmy your statement about not changing the rules till you see racers at the events asking for the change.... lol you will not get racers there with these engines if not allowed. Why would someone build a plane they cannot fly?
I know in the past the rules have changed a lot there. You banned nelson/Jett race engines with the must idle rule. I understand in the two stroke range you can still run a DF engine that idles but makes a great deal of power and is in the 170-180mph range past break out. Just for the two strokes rule it’s easy to change without beating your FS favorites. Just make it where all two strokes engines but are of side exhaust, carb and a production engine. None of these engines will out class a YS-115 on 65% nitro. It will allow me and others to buy a 120AX for 250 dollars and compete in the gold or silver race. The guys building planes now will not be out classed or now have a slower plane. If you don’t change the rules so be it fits your rules. I am just trying to increase the racing at my club with this change. The guys at my field would race and travel some if didn’t have to buy a YS 115 to even is close. It’s not about the money either.
1. Rules were not designed around YS engines, the tables were adapted and ranges set trying to keep and equal amount in jumps between different size motors and wing areas.... in fact, when I reworked the wing area charts, the 70 and 115 were not in production.
2. .89?..... the range of CC is just that a range (in other words read it as 0-.89, 90-.99, etc, etc).... new motors are coming out all the time and the chart was redesigned with the unknown in mind. Pick a motor, figure what range it is in, and then you can determine your wing area.
3.Very few if any are flying 65% nitro. it just doesn't work well with the YS motors.
4. The changes discussed would clearly only be an issue with regards to the gold class. Most racers wouldn't enter Gold to start off so the point of not getting new racers with the current rules is minor if even an issue at all. My comment was that if there is interest, and if those interested show said interest while at an event, I'm sure the CD's would listen. I do not CD races so I have little to do with new rules being approved. I have been more than willing to present the idea of making changes to the CD's and have done so already, I am more than willing to work on a rules revisions that seem to benefit the majority of pilots if there is enough interest, I am more than willing to be the sounding board for logical and rational discussions on the subject for those that are interested. But so far it has only been a couple of pilots. A couple won’t get it done. You, I , We would need more of a showing to constitute any changes.
5. Rules changes about engines that must idle were done before my time. However, these changes were done in the interest of safety. Nowhere are Jett or Nelson engines banned in the current version of the rules. Keep in mind here that the major intent of the SAM Warbird rules is SAFETY. I will take a moment to express that SAFETY is extremely important to SAM and its members. This type of racing is inherently dangerous and we all have to be very prudent with how these events are carried out. It is one thing if you are a visitor to the club and there is a safety issue, it is totally different if you are a member and lose your home field.
6. We all desire to go fast and turn left. Let’s try to work within the current rules and do our best to try to encourage others to enjoy what we already know is great fun.
Geez that took awhile.
Jimmy Skids