You right, I im wrong on those planes but I was just trying to point out there is an evoution that thes planes with throw to get were they are now.

I love flying the BF109 but I hate Landing it, the narrow gear, no fowar rake, and the fact it seems ever 3rd or 4rth flight I have a nose over that kills my Xora 18X10 props $18 a pop its getting old.