Hi rivetrivetrivet,

WOW, someone cares about this WWII history stuff, so buckle up jokers, here is some anti-ETO kraut explanations, humorous opinions and why!

Golly, you and tomhugill both have certainly gained a superior, university PHD level of WWII ETO history knowledge by building AFV hobby toys; well done boys.

And thanks for revising WWIIETO history for us all. FYI, fantastic writing style too, especially Tom, using English as a second language!

Just didn't know, before reading this thread that Germany won World War II,

Are you 2 guys related to <span class="st">Paul Joseph Goebbels?</span>

On the other hand the writings from some of the guys who actually laid waste to WWII Nat-Zee tank forces in the ETO, such as the 32nd Armored Regiment, 3rd Armored Division are perhaps as well versed in the matter as you two lay Military Historians, but could 3rd Armor's first hand opinions be as significant as your own, you think?

3rd Armored Division statements are their statements, their facts and opinions and their WWII history are no doubt based on their winning and losing WWII ETO tank combat experiences.

Gee, how unfair, 3rd Armored was there and you two guys were not.

So suck it up rivet buttercup and enjoy reading the other sides point of view.

To that point you AVOID this fact in your writing, basically 3rd Armor says Wittmann as a soldier held values not to be respected in any decade or any war, and that point (3rd Armor's) is impossible to argue with (and win) and no doubt overwhelming carpet bombing air power turned that clever kraut SS tank commander into dust.

Yes, I read:<h1 class="parseasinTitle "><span style="font-size: smaller;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span id="btAsinTitle">MICHAEL WITTMANN AND THE WAFFEN SS TIGER COMMANDERS OF THE LEIBSTANDARTE IN WWII, Vol. 1 &amp;2 (Stackpole Military History) <span style="text-transform: capitalize;">[Paperbacks]</span></span></span></span></h1>The books are an interesting read, have a disturbing and evil WWII German Military point of view. The accounts of various actions are well told, plus the action that killed Wittmann is cleanly described (but is it true?).

Though, the book's account is not conclusive, because even the guys in Wittmann's unit did not actually witness the fight and thought anti-tank guns might have played a roll in his death and or a Sherman Firefly defeated Wittmann.

Or did Wittmann's death actually happen earlier, under Allied carpet bombing and was covered up to maintain Wittmann's status as a WWII German people's hero.

Who knows?

The important point is 3rd Armor does not rate Wittmann highly, because of his Nat-Zee SS values (really now, who would?).

And why would 3rd Armor respect him, they were WWII mortal enemies. They were the good Americans sent to destroy the very evil, naughty and bad krauts .

Happy New Years, John

PS The Canadian tankers were brilliant in the ETO, agreed...