Thanks, I do go through enough epoxy that having to buy a bit more isn't a big deal. I buy my CA in 8 and 20 oz from a wood workers supply store. If I can locate the EPO GRIP at one of the supply houses I will give it a try. I have been testing out some of the old time cements this week and was just wondering about other products. I have never had the epoxy fail though so that isn't a concern for me.