to rc ken ,how come a newbie who wants to get into a new aspect he knows nothing about and does not take the time to search it out, then gets what he thinks is a bum deal, now has all the time to check it out and complain. if i can not say what i think is his mistake, then why is it ok for him to slam a company for what he thinks is a bum deal , where others have had no problem. when ever i buy r/c products i am not familiar with i search it out and ask questions. it has always worked for me.