ORIGINAL: sehlers
Taurus Flyer -
From your post I assume you are inferring that Ted White Stole the Design ,Renamed it , and took credit for it ??? Because a person named Marty Moad made an Airplane called El Toro - in the early 60's .......
Other than having a Spanish name with a Masculine Prefix ,there are little similarities in the airframe design . There are no numerical dimensions in your plans to compare specifically ,but suffice it to say the fuse moments are different ,the fuse is construction is different ,The horizontal span is different ,the Rudder design is different, the Wing Airfoils are different .I can go on .....
Furthermore , the Horizontal movement was made by Ted in his design for the reasons I gave ,not to look like or copy the El Toro .
From what I know about R/C Precision acrobatics , in 1962 were they even doing 4 and 8 point rolls ? Slow Rolls ?? Knife Edge ? I don't have a 1961 AMA rule book or FIA manual ,if there was such a thing ,so I don't know with out some research .
Again Ted moved the tail to correct a pitching condition his first design had ,as he told me . Again if he stole the Idea from Moad ,you should lay blame also to Joe Bridi for using the same design criteria in his Super Koas in 1973 ....
What you are saying is basically, if an airplane has Any design trait or look of Any previously flown aircraft it Must be a Copy ......
Wow, the FAI and Masters pattern flyers of today would have a litigation nightmare with that one !
I will Talk to Ted personally and report back here with the ''Truth'' about the El Toro vs El Gringo Debate !
Happy Holidays to all !!!
And Steve, sehlers,
What was the result? I would like to hear so I can store the information in my database.
BTW, short note:
Same thing happened with the Taurus history. People did claim one of them was directly involved with development of the earliest example of the Top Flite/MAN Taurus in cooperation with Ed Kazmirski, untill later much older detailed commercial plans made by the draftsman of Ed Kamirski himself showed up.
Never any serious response anymore, the person was visiting his family and would be asked to response later, only some weak arguments about pieces of brown paper send to Rhodesia were remaining.
So what they claimed there already would have been an exact identic Taurus built by one of them in Rhodesia when Ed would arrive there in April 1962?? A back-up Taurus exact identical for when Ed could not finish his own??? Build with use of these sktetches on brown paper??
Interesting that we read local modelers were very exited when Ed did open his crate the first time after arriving and people did see Ed's Taurus the first time, even there already was a Taurus on exact same location in that house in Rhodesia if we might believe the people with that claim.
Strange, pieces of brown paper, when commercial plans already were available, nearly exact the same as used by Top Flite.
As you make a claim, you have to be shure about the history because we check the details, also now.
So, realy, I like to see this "Truth" but, of course not some kind of weak story. You saw I also did show you the pattern scheme of that early period!
Taurus Flyer