"Now, pull up into a 45 degree climb and neutralize the controls, idle throttle. At some point you will hit the apex of the climb, and it can easily be at a speed that is below the 1g stall speed, yet the wing hasn't stalled - lets say 30 kts. Now apply full up elevator. Wing stall at 30 kts. Same for any CG position. Essentially it's the same for the vertical dive where speed is above 1g stall speed. As long as you keep to certain assumptions about continous flight conditions at constant or near constant load factors, your speed comparisons hold. But it is not a universal fact. Speed is not a good predictor of stall."

I'll buy that John. I think we have all learned a little bit on the subject.


"You are saying that the extra downforce on the tail is causing more total downward force on the craft. This increase of total force must be countered by the wing, therefore requiring more velocity into the relitive wind."

This was my point exatcly. However I have learned that this does not always hold up. But I think it can help some to understand the dynamics of a stall an factors related to it.

Thanks you for all your comments.
Regards,
Mike