Re post 117, in reply to the good Dr: Why the Hacker at 3 times the price? Why do people drive the Benz & BMW? Kind of joking, but, of my 5 or so electrics, the 3 Hackers have never missed a lick except when I bounced my P A Extra 260 off the ground in a close to the ground inverted flat spin "brown out," at least I think it was a Brown Out. I say that beacaus I am not unable to "dumb thumb" it once in a while. When I flew for Continental RPV's from 2000 to 2003 the first thing we would say when a new guy crashed one of our 78 pound UAVs was, "you dumb thumbed it." At which time he would have to convince us that he did not. I digress. The Hackers run beautifuly and they are beautiful...I love the purple...kind of like the beauty of the BMW or Benz. The final decider of the purchase of my Hacker 60L wa that it was offered to me by a club member that had accidently shorted it out by atempting to plug in the Deans reversed fasn smoked it band new. Hacker rewound it and I bought it for $120 with 4 props including one Vox. What a deal aye?? Great info here. I am learning a lot. Thanks a lot! wallace.tharp