ORIGINAL: Woody 51

The new VMAR Jodel though, is a different story. Still not quite up to World Models Standard, but better than anything Phoenix/Seagull put out and certainly VMAR'S best so far.

Sry mate, I don't believe that I made a presumption, rather a statement based on fact.

Here's why

1. I have recentley owned a seagull pc9, Pheonix SU 31, mainly due to recommendations, and both are well constructed, excellent arf's

2. When was the last thread you saw praising a VMAR arf

3. Nearly all other companies use ultracoat (heat treat stuff) not that crappy VMAR plastic stuff.

4. Check out the newish threads on the Pheonix SU 31, or the Seagull Edge 540.

5. What's with Vmar's new range, Jodel, Subaru, Fokker (Ben Stiller in meet the parents was hilarious).

I think Vmar might be trying a different market, maybe a different demographic. Good luck to em', its just that I would NOT buy another Vmar ARF.