Thanks for the suggestions everyone, I'm not necessarily looking for something full out 3d but mostly just something very aerobatic/3d with a light wing loading, I had pretty much decided on the Aeroworks edge 540t .46-.90 but then I read some reviews about it tip stalling bad and that's exactly what I don't want. so I'm looking for something else now, I'm not in a big hurry just looking around.If I can't decide on something I may just wait a while and then get something in the 20-30cc range later, I really want a gasser anyway, I'm kind of impatient though lol.