I don't think it's as connected as you maybe Verne. At least that is what i see. Not trying to be argumentitive. Sure, there are building blocks in place that are very, very good. but... We are not attracting many sportsman, so there is an issue there. Classic is having a lot of people attend here in D7. maybe there is something to the sequence, maybe not. I know to gain new members and grow, we need to really look at what the deal is with sportsman.

People in masters that wont move to fai, some of them seem to be so dead set against roller (or integrated roller) type maneuvers. why, because they arent prepared to fly them yet? What is the exact reason for that? I am talking about guys who have been in masters for a while. When I say fix masters i say this because there seems to be an issue where people think masters class is the problem child at contests, with having issues finding enough judges and taking up so much time at contests. At least, that's how it is here. So sure, if there is a perceived issue, maybe it needs an attempted "fix". .

How is masters class working the best if we have many that arent prepared to be there and want to now create a expert class? And maybe also/or because some in Masters don't want to move to fai because perhaps they aren't prepared to fly integrated rolling type maneuvers? We need to put more thought into what we need to do to prepare those in masters for the move to fai imo.

Once again, not trying to come off wrong. This is how I see things in my district as a masters pilot for many years. Maybe in other districts it is different. I can fully respect that and other opinions. We are many many miles apart at different contests so things are probably different.

C