For a pilot to try, and or learn, any category of maneuver, they're going to have to practice them before they commit to the class. Integrated rollers certainly fall into that category. I've personally never attempted them because I just flat out don't like them and think they're ugly, with the possible exception of the rolling circle. I think the Cuban in the P schedule is about the ugliest maneuver FAI has come up with in a long time, but that's just me. If I liked that category of maneuver I'd have started flying FAI a long time ago because I really can't see anything in "P" that appears more difficult than Masters when you take the rollers out of the mix. Of course "F" is a different story.
I'll be the first to admit that it's entirely possible I'm not capable of integrated rollers and I'm certain that's the case with a rolling circle, but I'm pretty sure I could do the "loopy" type of rollers. Just don't like them, but I digress.
Bottom line for me is that at every level, there's something new to learn. Going from Masters to FAI currently means you have to learn rollers. If you can't, don't like, don't have the time, or whatever to learn rollers, stay in Masters. Obviously, that's a choice many have made, myself included. Based on the turnouts locally, at the Nats and wherever, I can't see the need for repairs in that class. Now if Masters doesn't live up to its name, we could change that to Old Farts, Geezers, Lazy Guys or whatever and use the Masters title for whatever is deemed more appropriate....
The other part of the equation is difficulty creep. If you start doing rollers in Masters, the next thing you'll hear is "what are we doing to prepare an Advanced pilot for it?" Make an adjustment there, and then you have to deal with preparing an Intermediate pilot for whatever you just did to Advanced. All of sudden, participation in the lower classes drops off and everyone wonders what happened. "Must be helicopters, 3D, IMAC, computers or whatever" Couldn't be anything we did....
I'm not trying to be argumentative either but my history in pattern forces me to speak up. I lived through the sudden and dramatic drop in participation in the 90's when turnaround was forced on a pattern population that mostly didn't want it. Fifty contestant contests turned into 15 contestant contests almost overnight. Sportsman (now Intermediate) participation in my area went from the largest class (10+ at every contest) to virtually nothing and it happened because the NSRCA leadership at the time decided to "fix it". Of course, at the time, the leadership blamed the economy, gas prices, and anything else they could think of. Those of us who stuck it out knew, and know better.
Verne Koester
ORIGINAL: patternflyer1
I don't think it's as connected as you maybe Verne. At least that is what i see. Not trying to be argumentitive. Sure, there are building blocks in place that are very, very good. but... We are not attracting many sportsman, so there is an issue there. Classic is having a lot of people attend here in D7. maybe there is something to the sequence, maybe not. I know to gain new members and grow, we need to really look at what the deal is with sportsman.
People in masters that wont move to fai, some of them seem to be so dead set against roller (or integrated roller) type maneuvers. why, because they arent prepared to fly them yet? What is the exact reason for that? I am talking about guys who have been in masters for a while. When I say fix masters i say this because there seems to be an issue where people think masters class is the problem child at contests, with having issues finding enough judges and taking up so much time at contests. At least, that's how it is here. So sure, if there is a perceived issue, maybe it needs an attempted ''fix''. .
How is masters class working the best if we have many that arent prepared to be there and want to now create a expert class? And maybe also/or because some in Masters don't want to move to fai because perhaps they aren't prepared to fly integrated rolling type maneuvers? We need to put more thought into what we need to do to prepare those in masters for the move to fai imo.
Once again, not trying to come off wrong. This is how I see things in my district as a masters pilot for many years. Maybe in other districts it is different. I can fully respect that and other opinions. We are many many miles apart at different contests so things are probably different.
C