Not wishing to swing this good thread off topic I will be brief. I have empathy with you Dave as it must be very tough for you at the moment and you are correct in what you say regarding merchandising methods of others which must be most irritating. But also Dick makes a strong point as did I that there is so much less money out there to go around, I work in what is deemed to be a luxury market and we have been feeling it badly for about four years now and no end in sight. We have had to cut our cloth very prudently in order to survive let alone expand and it's perhaps the jet model industry will have to do the same as currently many are pricing themselves out of the game. I am looking towards Jetpower to see how the market is reacting to the downturn.