You fly at Apollo Field ? I know its a real zoo out there; but looking at your previous posts, you been going there for four years. You knew what the situation was and you waited that long to learn? There are other clubs - sites in the area that is not as stressful, Whittier Narrows is bad but not as bad as Sepulvada Basin. How about the Sierra Madre Club? If you go a little further Antelope Valley Tailwinds or Pomona Valley? I fly with Pomona club at their San Bernardino site its hardly ever crowded. We have an instructor who take you up on the club trainer and you can make appointments to meet, most of his students are older. We do have 400 ft restriction and 80" wingspan restriction