Thanks Red,I do belong too a club,but like most men I find it hard too ask for help, I've always been able to watch someone and do it, I right now am buying all the stuff stuff for building from scratch. I have a few old planes I plan to use as practice material,but I don't want to put a lot of money for servo's and engines in them,the planes are cheap it's all the rest to get it flying that cost money I'm finding out. I have a Pica,Aeronca 1/5 scale Sedan with a 84" wing that I'm working on,making a few mistakes but that all right, I want to thank all you guys.