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Old 10-27-2013 | 01:30 PM
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Dave Wilshere
 
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Can't believe we are back to this. I would say I have flown 20-25 CARF Hawks, all the same. Flew DJR's for the test flight and although it was defo heavier than most I don't remember an issue. Post rebuild after a whoopsy I'm sure it gained a lot of "flab"! The Graupner Hawk is the same (OK except Flap set-up) and they weigh way more than a CARF Hawk. I test flew and have flown a Graupner Hawk out of our 90ish meter (270-300') grass strip with no issues.
Its a Hawk. Not a Boomerang, a Classic Flash or anything else lacking drag. Only reason in my mind to "drag" an aeroplane in nose high is to add aerodynamic drag. Hawk has a tonne of drag set up as intended. It lands a bit like an Ultra Flash, You have to keep the nose down to keep the speed constant without a LOAD of power on and a swept back LE wing like a Hawk breaks away really quickly if you miss handle it. Treat it right and its easy going, easy to land and just no issue.
I have some pictures somewhere doing low passes, gear up, full flap. Over grass I can get the nose on the grass and the fuse strakes clear! It naturally sits slightly nose down full drag, read that and let it fly in, I find the Hawk easy to land, hardly any elevator work needed. I have a lot of friends who would class themselves "average" pilots, they all fly their Hawks without an issue. The balance range...read back a few pages, I test flew Matt's Hawk as built for him and it was way nose heavy, new it was but decided to fly it as it was to see (we were at the field and no way of changing much around) after the first flight which landed fine we ended up with more than 1Lb of lead on the rear most flat surface on the fuselage over the next two flights...it was then a "porker" (was not light to start with-full of unnecessary "bling" ali ball valve mounts and double fuel filler lock/stop stuff, smoke pumps and tanks, cockpit and and...all flown at our 300' patch...

My Hawk is super light,no full cockpit, but it has 280g of nose lead to allow for the difference (I installed it with a Derjet cockpit in mind, just never fitted it) No flannel or bling, it was 27.5lb when built. I'd say 28.5lb is about normal and right. BUT flown as a scale model, 30-32lb no problem. Think about the big 1:2.9 scale Hawk I flew...203lb at take-off...work out that wing loading!!!!!

Model is fine...

Last edited by Dave Wilshere; 10-27-2013 at 01:33 PM.