tomhugill have you personally owned a Taigen tank? It is probably my favorite tank that I currently have and is a bargain at $400 to me. Also not trying being a ***** but the title of the thread is "looking for a good runner out of the box". So clearing anything Tamiya is not an RTR tank and will have to be assembled and painted not to mention doesn't come with a controller or battery from what I remember. So that $400 sherman and $600 Pershing is going to be a even more after you buy those things.