Thanks Bob,,,,,,,,,, My thinking why the extra step. From your response however if the tip is rounded etc you do need to do it separately. On another side of this took off the ailerons, do you use the same slots or go to one side for new ca hinges? I was thinking of just biting the bullet and getting hinges already jointed and use on hole etc. New at this and simplicity means a lot for me. gphil