reyemmanuel

Hi mate, not sure what you meant? Can you be more specific.

Below is one of the tables I made a couple of months ago for Gen 2 type IR battles...more like a Clark-based game with ammo and sorts of strategic gameplay put into it- but having realised that really, there is no interest in it, stopped working on it.

Looking at this for example, the Hellcat, Stug and Elefant as TDs...you can pretty much relate them to the current available rc tank line up.

As far as the IR battle is concerned, armour "survivability" is relative in nature, whislt mobility and firepower are all intrinsic.

Meaning, if all tanks in the field are composed if KTs and Pershings...then there is no point in modding the IR receiver.

However, if there is a mix of M4, Pershing, Hellcat and KTs, Tigers, Ferdi, KV2 and T34-85s, then the IR receiver can be modded as applicable.

Table 1. Apparent armoured vehicle attributes for Gen 2.0 IR Battles.


[TABLE="width: 778"]
[TR]
[TD]AFV
[/TD]
[TD]Gun
[/TD]
[TD]Firepower
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Survivability
[/TD]
[TD]Mobility
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AFV
[/TD]
[TD]Gun
[/TD]
[TD]Penetration @ 500 m, RHAe mm
[/TD]
[TD]Front,
RHAe mm
[/TD]
[TD]Side,
RHAe mm
[/TD]
[TD]hp/t
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M18 Hellcat
[/TD]
[TD]76 mm AT M1A2 gun
[/TD]
[TD]109
[/TD]
[TD]22
[/TD]
[TD]14
[/TD]
[TD]20
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M4(105)
[/TD]
[TD]105 mm Howitzer M2A1
[/TD]
[TD]102
[/TD]
[TD]92
[/TD]
[TD]42
[/TD]
[TD]12
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M4A3(105)
[/TD]
[TD]105 mm Howitzer M2A1
[/TD]
[TD]70
[/TD]
[TD]92
[/TD]
[TD]42
[/TD]
[TD]12
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M4
[/TD]
[TD]75 mm M3 L/37gun
[/TD]
[TD]70
[/TD]
[TD]92
[/TD]
[TD]42
[/TD]
[TD]12
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M4A1 (76)W
[/TD]
[TD]76 mm gun M1
[/TD]
[TD]78
[/TD]
[TD]90
[/TD]
[TD]47
[/TD]
[TD]12
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M4A3E8
[/TD]
[TD]76 mm gun M1
[/TD]
[TD]78
[/TD]
[TD]92
[/TD]
[TD]47
[/TD]
[TD]13
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M26 Pershing
[/TD]
[TD]90 mm gun M3
[/TD]
[TD]126
[/TD]
[TD]123
[/TD]
[TD]70
[/TD]
[TD]14
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stug III Ausf. F/8, G
[/TD]
[TD]7.5 cm StuK 40 L/48
[/TD]
[TD]96
[/TD]
[TD]82
[/TD]
[TD]30
[/TD]
[TD]16
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Panzer III Ausf. N
[/TD]
[TD]7.5 cm KwK 37 L/24
[/TD]
[TD]39
[/TD]
[TD]66
[/TD]
[TD]31
[/TD]
[TD]18
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Panzer IV Ausf. G,H,J
[/TD]
[TD]7.5 cm KwK 40 L/48
[/TD]
[TD]96
[/TD]
[TD]67
[/TD]
[TD]31
[/TD]
[TD]13
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Panther G
[/TD]
[TD]7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70
[/TD]
[TD]124
[/TD]
[TD]111
[/TD]
[TD]47
[/TD]
[TD]14
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tiger VIE
[/TD]
[TD]8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56
[/TD]
[TD]110
[/TD]
[TD]104
[/TD]
[TD]73
[/TD]
[TD]9
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tiger VIB early
[/TD]
[TD]8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71
[/TD]
[TD]185
[/TD]
[TD]168
[/TD]
[TD]85
[/TD]
[TD]10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tiger VIB prod
[/TD]
[TD]8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71
[/TD]
[TD]185
[/TD]
[TD]168
[/TD]
[TD]85
[/TD]
[TD]10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Elefant/Ferdinand
[/TD]
[TD]8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71
[/TD]
[TD]185
[/TD]
[TD]188
[/TD]
[TD]81
[/TD]
[TD]9
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]T-34-76
[/TD]
[TD]76 mm S-54
[/TD]
[TD]75
[/TD]
[TD]77
[/TD]
[TD]53
[/TD]
[TD]17
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]T-34-85
[/TD]
[TD]85 mm ZiS S-53
[/TD]
[TD]111
[/TD]
[TD]90
[/TD]
[TD]61
[/TD]
[TD]15
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]KV1
[/TD]
[TD]76 mm S-54
[/TD]
[TD]75
[/TD]
[TD]88
[/TD]
[TD]69
[/TD]
[TD]9
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]KV2
[/TD]
[TD]152 mm M-10
[/TD]
[TD]125
[/TD]
[TD]110
[/TD]
[TD]69
[/TD]
[TD]10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Actually, there is a more elegant way to distinguish relative survivability:

Say for instance, all the tanks above are in the battlefield, the average gun penetration (based on 500 m, at 1:16 scale corresponds to ~ 30 m) is 122 mm (RHAe). As such, the following AFVs; M26 Pershing, King Tigers and Ele/Ferdi are virtually inpenetrable from the front (IFA- and can be simulated by putting up Al or Pb tape reflectors )...

Anyways, there is no point really of going to develop such and invest such ideas...as we're stuck in the 70's type game really.

This thread is of an experimental type where data can be used for modelling and predicting trends later on, is open access for all to use - where data presented is repeatable and verifiable.
Its up to the community in general to use or not use as such.

cheers,Rey