I have been modeling sense l was a boy building control line and flying and building rc aircraft sense I was 16. I am now 49 and have taught many to fly. I don't consider myself the old guy but I do see where Frank is coming from. I fly arfs and still build a model here and there. I have seen the foamy flyer that gets mad because the feild is closed for a war bird meet. I also consider the arf giant corsair flyer a hobbyists because it takes time to finish those out too. I like to fly second hand models too. I guess it just takes all kinds to make a club. Dont know what I would have done without the old timer that took me under his wing.