I'm with you there dan. I think they looked the best. As for the design, like I told bill, if we're going to redesign the logo, I think I'm going to need some help with that. In not very artistic nor would I even know where to begin. If we're going to take the existing logos and just put them onto the shirts, well I ( or the screen printer) can handle that. I would just have to have one to give to him. It will be a bit more to have him get it in to his system, but shouldn't be too much.