As I said helis host no interest from me you do keep going back to them when I have no interest. I know your trying to address everyone but my wants are quite specific. Most real airfields are chosen for the lack of obstructions so all the airfields with real planes, barns and buildings are unrealistic for my purposes as are mountains and scenery. The hobby shop has both available for demo purposes I guess the only way is to sit and work with both then make a decision. I was hoping to avoid the couple of hours it will take to make up my mind but I see no one posting the info that I need. I thought I was pretty specific the information I was seeking was not that of beginner or video game. I have use of a type of simulator for calculation of movement and stress as well as drag, LD etc but it does not allow for flight via a transmitter. The inputs are via parameters speed, glide slope, angle of attack etc via keyboard then it simulates the flight envelope. Very useful but its still not flying by transmitter.

Thanks
Dennis

Dennis