Please don't get me wrong, there is certainly nothing wrong with owning or flying ARFs, I would just rather build my own stuff. As Graybeard has stated you can buy an ARF, strip it, fix it, and/or make thing as you see fit, then recover it as you please. I did this exact thing with a H9 35% Extra 260, I bought the kit for around $1000.00, stripped the covering, lightened the airframe Long story short. here it is ready to fly at 22 lbs. 13 ozs.