I just get back from flying the 450, its a lot better, still windy a bit, I still find it a bit sensitive in the wind, but I gust its normal after flying a 15lb gasser and a 25lb turbine, I just mite sale my 2 450 and get something bigger like a 600 or a 700 and stretch it out to a 800 and fly it on 6s , we will see.