The Ultimate is probably your best bet for an arf-however, I can't help but suggest the Smith Miniplane from Sig-even though it's a builder.(Do you like my run-on sentences?) It takes a Lot of work, but it is worth every ounce of sweat, frustration, anguish and drop of blood. I know your wanting an arf, but consider it. It is a sheer joy to fly![sm=thumbup.gif]