Yeah, Gene, the reason this became a topic for me is that one of the best fliers at our field wanted to fly the Spirit I had at the time. He even asked what channel the rudder was on and I told him it was on the left stick, same as all my other planes. Even knowing that, he immediately lost the plane, looped back over our heads and crashed into the right rear tire of my truck. It totally destroyed the plane and the prop adapter on the plane poked a neat bullet size hole in the tire of my truck that only had 15,000 miles on it. Cost of the flight? About $250.00. So we have talked about it a lot.