Originally Posted by vertical grimmace

I have and certainly are contemplating leaving. Tired of the confiscation of wealth and the stealth police state we have. The freedom is a mirage. As they told us after 911 "Go Shopping". Bankrupt of culture, music, destruction of the family, feels like slavery by and large to me. You can have it.

Not so drastic to be here anymore. All you have to do is cross the border, then they just grant amnesty.

Do you know why the Berlin wall was built? Because the East block was losing it's labor. Cheap labor flocks here, because of the fallacy that is the U.S. utopia. Almost no reason for us to need labor now, as we have no manufacturing. As someone that works with many illegals, it does not take long before they want the same pay as everyone else.