Love my Pizazz, I've got an OS61 in the nose and swing a 12/8 and with my normal take off I use the full runway and pull up and kick the stick and she rolls out of sight at about 6 rolls per second. Like to fly it in a stiff breeze, stops in mid air and just sits there and stares at you.... like I dare you and then do a vertical landing. Its really a blast and makes me a better pilot. I've cut the rates way back and let trainees fly it and they are amazed as how stable it is at slow speed and low rates. just can't seem to keep one from falling apart in the air. I'm on my 4 one know and just know I'll be needing a 5th ver soon. Ken....The "BALSA BANDIT"