"i like all i can get. and sometimes that still isnt enough. but it takes about 70 deg. to do 3D IMO."

I like all I can get too but it doesnt have to have 70 degrees of deflection. It all depends on what plane we are talking about and where the C.G. is located. I can do extreme 3D with my laser3d at 45 degrees deflection all day long b/c of the super aft C.G.