Bill a.k.a Stickbuilder as I have posted I picked up an old Pica WACO kit and am in the process of reading all of the posts before starting to build plus am finishing a Citabria Pro. got to the link "houseofmoy.com/Waco/ for the templates for the formers and it appears to no longer exist. By any chance are the former templates still available and if so where might I obtain them. By the way this has been one of the best threads I have been on, now on post # 1097. I have really enjoyed it.