jeffEE, It's funny that you put the Nosen Giant Trainer on the your worst kit list. For some perverted reason that kit always intrigued me. I guess I have been "lucky" by not having had the winning bid for that kit on Ebay. I am aware of it being a "builder's kit", and its less than stellar flight success rate, but for some reason I wanted to give it a try, I just didn't see why, if well powered and balanced, it wouldn't be a good flyer. Too small an engine seem to be the downfall of most attempts with that plane. It looks enough like a stand off Cessna 172 that I was willing to give it my best building attempt but I guess I wasn't willing to pay enough money (low non winning bids) out knowing it was a crap shoot flying it. For the right price I would still be a sucker on one!