The bottom wing is now set to +0.5 and the top is 1.5 with the stab at 0. I checked the firewall and it pretty much 0 down. I can,t remember what the right thrust on the firewall is. I still have to put the engine back so will get to that tomorrow (Monday). It is quite possible that the CG was to far back on both flights. Moving the weight forward and back does not make a big difference to the attitude of the aircraft when checking the CG. Maybe that threw me a bit. Thanks for the advise.