init4fun please go back and reread this entire post and you will see, I had no part of the first flight of 5 planes, I never flew formation with anyone all weekend. Nor have I made any demands of anyone or placed 100 percent blame on anyone. I is clear you made up your mind from Condors post and painted me with the same brush. The only thing the two flights had in common were the pilots that were hovering and the fact that both flights resulted in a midair. I didn't even speak with Condor at Nall this year let alone fly at the same time as him or have prior knowledge of the ill words between the parties involved in the first crash. I have however flown with him a couple of times at other events.