Thanx for the replies, these guys were pretty much saying the same thing, just not as thorough. One of them did mention pointing the nose down elevator but never up. It's still kind of unclear but I understand what yall are trying to say, it just doesn't seem it would go very far without the up elev. good point on picking a spot that would do the least damage.

When I started with a trainer I had a ton of deadsticks and did it perfect everytine. The p51 crashed twice from deadsticks, it just falls like a rock with or without elevator, and today I crashed the fazer trying to bleed off air downwind and ran out of runway and tried to turn around at the end when it went down. Maybe I got used to deadsticks in the trainer, cuz it just floats all day with up elev. but these planes are a whole different story.