Well, that was a fun discussion. And I have been using a Hobbico panel for several years and it works fine. And no I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel. CB and I are probably on the same wave length. Every now and then my brain starts on some ideas, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. This great country was built by people with ideas. This idea of mine probably won't get anywhere but it keeps my brain working and at my age I need all the help I can get. I have always built and fabricated many things over the years, so this just goes along with the way I think. I just don't always go with the status quo. thanks for the replies anyway.