Oh horse crap Jordan, you just can't shoot straight! LOL! and 40 to 50 feet??? LOL! The ones Immortal was selling are from a guy in NY state. They were O.K. a little better than HL. What I found most interesting was the shade experiment we did. Clark bases can be used with Tamiya apples and are inexpensive. I'm sorry but I think the Tamiya product is very over priced when you can find it. I saw somewhere a dealer was selling the bases for $40.00 bucks!!! Even the impact ones are $25.00. But their whole system is $77.00 so less than Tamiya. Sorry, I don't know anything about Clark developing his own apples....