This is just MY opinion guys, but when I buy a HL, it is only if Tamiya does not make that model because I end up hacking the HL to my preferences. I HATE the HL battery box, plastic suspension, and electronics so out they go. I have bashed a few HL and I certainly appreciate the offerings which have allowed me to build tanks not offered by Tamiya but the quality never seems to measure up even after I put a boat load of money into it. I can get it close, but I can tell the qualitative difference. I will give HL a lot of credit as I believe they have come a long way from the Pan-Tiger days. I see definite improvement especially with the newest offerings like the Challenger and M1. I think they are a legitimate option for the price point. Not everybody wants to blow $700 plus on a Tammy...