Originally Posted by franklin_m

Many of the folks here whose ideas or questions you've mocked are AMA members. It appears that your pledge to the AMA that you would "Conduct [your]self as befits a Leader" means little.


I don't see anything that says as a Leader Member that you get to pick and choose when to follow the pledge and when not to follow it. I would argue that if you didn't think you could ALWAYS live up to those high ideals, perhaps you shouldn't have made the pledge.


You forgot the unspoken second part of that sentence, the part that reads ".... but only if you do it in a way that I approve."


As said once already, any attempt to have a discussion of the culture was filibustered. My aviation safety training and experience investigating unit culture in the wake of a mishap tells me that the culture is failed. A group that is not even willing to consider that they aren't as good as they say they are is a culture that generally will not change until there's a disaster.


We've had this discussion before, but I'll repeat it for you. It's a question of time and facilities. I'm not going to plow thousands of dollars getting into turbines when I'm limited to only those designs that can handle rough grass fields - which is all that's available in the distance that's reasonable given the time and schedule limits on my hobby flying. If there were better facilities close by, absolutely. I've flown turbine powered developmental drones when on active duty, and they're really not difficult. But again, my interest is on designs that won't handle rough grass fields well.
And it's not "self decribed" background. I'm happy to present redacted copies of records. In fact, have already done so in other forums.


Groups (and companies in my experience) that don't effectively use the talent they have tend to run into problems. Again, I approached AMA leadership a year ago to try and get out in front of this safety culture problem among waiver holders. And yes, they wanted nothing to do with it. Now they're a year down the road and it appears the problem has gotten bad enough they can no longer pretend it doesn't exist. Of course it will be that much more difficult to fix now. what I've seen proposed is more of the same. Typically more of what got you into the problem in the first place doesn't make it better. But then again, what do I know about aviation safety and operations, safety culture, operational risk management, etc.?


Just like the above comment, you forgot the unspoken second part. The part that reads ".... but only if you do it in a way that I approve."



Wow. It wasn't more than a couple weeks ago that you offered to nominate me for AMA President. I haven't changed in the interim, all those years of posts that you lament were there then, as they are now. And yet you won't recommend me for the lower level position of Leader Member?
So how could anyone look at that and not see that your Presidential nomination offer as disingenuous. Either you were deliberately misleading a fellow AMA member (saying you'd nominate when you really wouldn't), or you were hoping I'd accept with the hopes I'd lose so you could riducle me like you've ridiculed other fellow AMA members (like Hossfly).

You made a pledge to the AMA to conduct yourself in a way that "befits a leader." That pledge was not limited to only those situations where "you feel like it," nor was it limited to only when people do things they way you want them done. It seems to me the clear AMA's intent is that you act in a way "befits a leader" at all times, not just when it's easy, but also when it's difficult. I see lots of the former, not much of the latter. Others can form their own opinion.

In an interview just this morning, a prominent commentator was asked "Why, if you're a supporter, do you criticize so much?" The response was quite good. The individual said "Those I care about the most get the most criticizm for the simple reason that I want them to be the very best that they can be. Those I don't care about are not worth my time to criticize."