So I just want to touch on one other thing. What do you do about the guys who show up with these new planes from the hobby shop? They show an interest to learn to fly more tricks as they call them.

Not sure about the rest of the clubs out there. Although seems most hobby shops are the same. I am not sure you can even buy a new planes that is RTF with out any type of flight controls systems anymore. Sorry not trying to Hijack your thread. And yes If you look back on my history I was involved in a discussion about this particular issue not long ago.

I am not for them at all. But we at our club have found it very tricky to convince those individuals to not use flight systems. Even harder when you have some well known pilots in the RC industry who push the flight systems.